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Saturday, September 23, 2006

Compromised?

A compromise has been reached! That is the word coming out of Washington DC this week over a demand from the Bush Whitehouse that Congress create legislation that would allow the US Government (specifically the CIA and NSA) to continue to engage in illegal and immoral activities in the detention and interrogation of suspected so-called enemy combatants or terrorists. Indeed, if the language of this legislation passes the congress, a compromise will be reached; a compromise of American values and any claim we ever had to a sense of moral integrity.

In the face of continuing disclosures of secret prisons, “extraordinary renditions”, use of torture techniques in interrogation, and a recent Supreme Court decision declaring secret military tribunals unconstitutional, George W. Bush demanded that the congress act to write new law that would make all of these things legal – and to make it retroactive! Apparently the biggest sticking point was Bush’s demand that the congress write specific language “defining” Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions that addresses detainee treatment. Bush wanted language inserted into the bill that would list specific acts that the US would consider to be cruel and degrading. These acts would obviously exclude any techniques that had been employed by US interrogators up to this point in time. This position was challenged not only by many in the global human rights community but also by former Secretary of State Colin Powell, five former Chairs of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top legal counsels for all branches of the US Armed Services, but also by three very influential republican senators – John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and John Warner of Virginia (a former Secretary of the Navy). Bush wanted this provision as a means to shield US CIA agents from being held accountable for war crimes if victims of torture accused them of such acts. The overwhelming objection to this provision was based on the Geneva Conventions as a global treaty and the suggestion that any “redefinition” of Common Article 3 could lead to other countries using that precedent as a defense in cases where they might be guilty of torture of US service members who might be captured in future conflicts.

The compromise? According to The New York Times, ”The proposed legislation outlaws under the War Crimes Act “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions, including specific crimes such as murder, torture and rape, but also broad descriptions that might encompass a variety of crimes: maiming, extreme physical pain, trying to cause physical harm, and serious mental harm.
But the law leaves to the White House to say by executive order whether any techniques that do not rise to the level of grave breaches, but are still objectionable, would also be prohibited.
The executive order is to be published in the Federal Register, where it would be subject to review by Congress. The White House had resisted this proposal, but Senate Republicans insisted on it.
The White House said Friday that it had not yet begun to talk about what techniques the order would include.”


In other words, the Senate has created a loophole through which “The Decider” would determine additional torture techniques not specifically excluded by law. ” Senators Warner, McCain and Graham said repeatedly that they wanted the administration to have to define these techniques, so that it would have to take responsibility for them, and any public heat. Otherwise, they believed, the president or C.I.A. would justify any techniques that caused public outrage by saying, in effect, “Congress said we could.””- The “COA” clause so common from our republican “leaders” these days. Yet, although the law states that Bush "shall issue" his interpretations in published executive orders, White House spokesman Tony Snow said yesterday that administration lawyers told him that such publication -- which McCain and others have highlighted as a major White House concession -- might not be necessary.

While actually engaging in a debate on how much torture is too much torture may be the most egregious assault on our values, it is far from the only attack on our system of constitutional protections. From The Washington Post , ” Draft legislation to create a new system of military courts for terrorism suspects would allow prosecutors to introduce at future trials confessions that were obtained through "cruel, unusual, or inhumane" interrogations by the CIA or the military before 2005, but not afterward.
The legislation would also allow defense attorneys to challenge the use of hearsay information obtained through coercive interrogations in distant countries only if they can prove it is unreliable, a daunting task if the information consists of written statements from people the lawyers have no right to confront in court.” “Critics said yesterday that the bill's language abuses both of these < The U.S. War Crimes Act, and the Geneva Conventions>, as well as the U.S. Constitution. For example, it would bar detainees from challenging the legality of their detention or treatment by the CIA or the U.S. military in any court. The administration has said this controversial "court-stripping" provision is needed so that dangerous detainees could be subjected to lengthy interrogations without hope of release before military trials and could not obstruct or delay trials.
But defense lawyers, a group of retired federal judges and the American Bar Association say the provision violates due-process guarantees and Supreme Court decisions.
"Eliminating habeas is tantamount to letting hundreds of Guantanamo prisoners rot in jail," said David H. Remes, a Covington & Burlington lawyer who has represented several Yemeni detainees. "If the government does not have a valid basis for holding someone in jail, that person should have some recourse."
The bill would also bar detainees from citing the Geneva Conventions -- which the United States ratified in 1949 -- "as a source of rights" in any U.S. court, including the military panels or "commissions" established by the new law.”


So here we have it; a bill before the congress that would allow The Decider and Dr. Evil to define what torture is legal and what is not; a bill that officially places the United States on the same level as any tyrannical regime in the world that places the “security of the state” over the dignity of the individual; a bill that compromises the very moral authority that we as a nation claim.

Do you know where your Member of Congress and your senators stand on this legislation? Please let them know how you feel.


Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue

4 comments:

Allen McPheeters said...

Chad:

Hi... hope things are going well where you are.

My questions for you are:

1.) What interrogation techniques are acceptable to you in trying to obtain information that will save American lives from another attack like 9/11?

2.) What would you say to the victims (and their families) of such an attack if your limitations on interrogation techniques such an attack to succeed?

Because these are the kind of crappy questions that the President has to answer.

I mean, really: your post essentially says that there are things the President should not do in trying to protect the American people, but the flip side is that Presidents Bush and Clinton have been publicly attacked for failing to do all they could do to prevent 9/11.

Being the President is a no-win situation.

Allen

Tahoma Activist said...

Dude, Chad, mr. mcpheeters must not get the dramatic horrifying implications of suspending habeus corpus.

Let me explain in words a two-year-old can understand. If you don't have habeus, the FBI or the NSA or the CIA or the frigging Secret Police can disappear you and you will never come back.

Habeus Corpus is your right to challenge your detention. If you don't have it, you can't ever get out of prison unless your jailors realize they made a mistake. And in a government as corrupt/incompetent/viciously cruel as this one, that is highly, highly unlikely to happen.

What happened here this week was essentially a big show for the cameras, pitting one faction of the fascists against the other, ending up in one more victory for fascism. And freedom, whatever that was, is one more step closer to its grave.

Chad Shue said...

Allen,

I think I have been pretty clear that I would stop short of placing myself on the same level as the very enemy we are fighting. I am amazed that the so-called Christian wing of the American political system would even be debating the proper application of the "Golden Rule." But, alas, nothing is sacred to this group running the country (except profits, of course).

From what I have read and heard coming from current and former CIA operatives, interrogation is not very high on their list for gaining usable information. Detention of suspects and retrieval of documents (hard drives and cell phones are a top priority these days) are where they invest most of their resources. Common sense will tell you that confessions under duress are highly unreliable.

As to what I would say to the victims families, I would extend my deepest sympathies but remind them that one of the reasons we live under the rule of law is to protect us from ourselves when we have the urge to govern from a personal sense of revenge. These laws are what define our character as a people. It is Bush and Cheney's willingness to turn a blind eye to these laws that defines theirs.

Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue

Chad Shue said...

Allen and Tahoma,
There is something else that Tahoma's comment just reminded me of.

Over the past week of so-called debate on this subject, Lindsey Graham has been helping to clarify my position, whether knowingly or not.

When asked about why he felt we should not be "re-defining" the Geneva Conventions, his reply has gone something like this, 'If we allow our CIA to start defining their own rules for the treatment of detainees then later, when some other country is engaged in a conflict, they would feel entitled to protect their own Secret Police in the same manner.'

The fact the Senator Graham would include our CIA and the term Secret Police in the same sentence sets up a frame that I do not want other coutries to see us in. This places our CIA in the same league with the SS and the KGB and I do not feel comfortable with that. How about you?

Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue