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Saturday, August 18, 2007

Brian Baird (D-WA3): 'Stay the Course'

While listening to a few minutes of the Dave Ross show yesterday during my lunch break, I heard a snippet from US Congressman, Brian Baird (D-WA3) saying that he believes the United States should extend the so-called Iraq surge into next year before we start any draw down of forces. I was confused to say the least. Then, later in the day, I read more about Baird’s comments from David Postman who links to the original story coming from Brad Shannon at the Olympian. Quite frankly what I read there only reinforces my deep concern that the Democrats will never stand up to end our continuing occupation of Iraq. Let’s examine what Rep. Baird has to say.


”"I believe that the decision to invade Iraq and the post-invasion management of that country were among the largest foreign-policy mistakes in the history of our nation. I voted against them, and I still think they were the right votes," Baird said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C.

"But we're on the ground now. We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people and a strategic interest in making this work."”


OK, for starters, while Baird did in fact vote against the authorization to invade, he like the rest of our congressional delegation (except Jim McDermott) has vote FOR every supplemental spending authorization that has come before him until this year. I would not say that you could call that voting against the continuing mis-management of the occupation. Then there is the troubling “But we’re on the ground now” thing. Congressman, we have been knee deep in bloody sand for over FOUR YEARS now!


Baird also says, ”…the United States tore up Iraq with its invasion in 2003, dismantling civil government and industries and tossing a half-million people out of work, but that three years of U.S. help is not enough to let Iraq rebuild.”

Would someone buy the congressman a calendar? It’s FOUR YEARS! And what does Baird suggest we do to improve the situation?

”…He added that the United States needs to continue with its military troops surge "at least into early next year, then engage in a gradual redeployment. … I know it's going to cost hundreds of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars."”

Oh, I see. More blood and money will do the trick.


He sums up by saying, ”…he would not say this if he didn't believe two things:


• "One, I think we're making real progress."

• "Secondly, I think the consequences of pulling back precipitously would be potentially catastrophic for the Iraqi people themselves, to whom we have a tremendous responsibility … and in the long run chaotic for the region as a whole and for our own security."”


Well Congressman Baird seems to have grasped the Republican talking points quite well. Increased casualties (both American and Iraqi) point to “progress” and, despite the fact that every piece of legislation put forth by the Democrats calls for a gradual re-deployment of American troops (taking up to two years to complete) they should be defined as “pulling back precipitously.”


Let’s get real here. In FOUR YEARS, the United States military, while having successfully routed the Iraqi military and deposed Saddam Hussein, has not made Iraq any more secure. Indeed, it is widely recognized that our military presence in that country has significantly increased the threat to the civilian population while we have pursued a policy of “fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here.” And while Baird may have been taken to the same Ramadi market that McCain and Lieberman shop at, I would suggest that the Yazidis might disagree with Baird’s assessment of "progress."


As far as our responsibility to the Iraqis, Rep. Baird is obviously correct. However, his belief that a continuing military strategy is going to ever produce the results that the Iraqis deserve is well off the mark. Let’s keep the record straight. George W. Bush has had unfettered control over every aspect of the invasion and occupation of Iraq for FOUR YEARS (I hope Rep. Baird is getting this point). Every indication coming from DC is that the Democrats are going to do nothing to change the “leadership” of this ongoing cluster-f&*%k. So, what would lead anyone to believe that the same people who broke it, ms-managed it, and still control it, will do anything to fix it? If Rep. Baird is truly concerned about the Iraqi people he would be making every effort to encourage greater multi-national security operations in that country while US military forces disengage as quickly as is practicable, thereby removing the impression of an endless US occupation. US dollars and technical expertise need to flow freely to the Iraqi government so that they may take charge of their own re-building efforts.


The expression goes: "You Broke It - You Fix It." However, you don't ask the bull in the china shop to mend the broken china.


[UPDATE 8/25/2007]
Associated Press
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago

"BAGHDAD - This year’s U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago.

Some of the recent bloodshed appears the result of militant fighters drifting into parts of northern Iraq, where they have fled after U.S.-led offensives. Baghdad, however, still accounts for slightly more than half of all war-related killings — the same percentage as a year ago, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press.

The tallies and trends offer a sobering snapshot after an additional 30,000 U.S. troops began campaigns in February to regain control of the Baghdad area. It also highlights one of the major themes expected in next month’s Iraq progress report to Congress: some military headway, but extremist factions are far from broken."

It's called "Whack-a-Mole" and our troops deserve a better strategy.


Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue

19 comments:

Chantel said...
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Chantel said...

Too many misspellings in my first post.

Look, Baird may be wrong about extending the surge, but the war is not his fault. That's reality, not an apologist position. This was a GOP war, the surge is a GOP surge, and your not buying into that reality doesn't make it less real.

You are spouting anti-Democratic propaganda from the same folks who brought you the "there's no difference between Bush and Gore" lie.

Chad Shue said...

Chantel,


Thanks for your comment. Apparently you misunderstood my post (it happens quite a bit with a lot of folks) I did not imply, suggest, or say that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was the fault of Rep. Baird. However, dozens of democrats DID vote to authorize it. (some of them actually want me to vote for them to be president next year.) I am saying in this post that Rep. Baird is indeed wrong about extending the so-called surge - a point you seem willing to allow me : "Look, Baird may be wrong about extending the surge..."


If you would like to talk facts I am happy to oblige.


1.) Baird voted AGAINST the initial authorization for the invasion.


2.) Baird has indeed voted for every appropriations bill since the invasion. In My Opinion, voting for the continued funding without extending demands (as allowed for in the Constitution) for greater oversight accepts certain responsibility for what happens afterwards.


3.) The Democrats have a majority in the Congress today.


4.) The Democrats voted to place requirements on continued funding and, when Bush vetoed the bill they simply sent him the bill he asked for. Considering that the Democrats are now the majority party, all legislation that comes from the Congress is Democratic legislation. Therefore, the Democrats now OWN a major piece of the occupation.


5.) Finally, if you want a Democrats Only Blog, Go to NPI. I understand the faults of the Republicans and do not feel compelled to tell folks what they should already know. My problem lies with Democrats who are supposed to be the alternative who don't seem to be capable of doing their job.


Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue

Chantel said...

I don't think I misunderstood at all, but thank you for your gentle observation in that regard.

Still, thank you for your tacit admission that your blog exists to demonize Democrats who don't toe the Green Party line.

Some Democrats believed the authorization of force was going to be used responsibly by the Bushies, others thought Saddam had to go, still others thought it was the wrong thing to do. What many of them believe is that cutting funds won't bring the troops home, won't help Iraq, and abdicates our responsibility to bring as much stabalization as we can to the region.

Talk to me about sending bills back to the White House when Democrats have a veto-proof majority. Sending the bill back repeatedly after it was vetoed would have acheived nothing other than making a point, and that's not governing - that's protesting.

Democrats have gotten a ton accomplished considering their slim majorities in the House and Senate, and they've done it by negotiating compromises on the funding bills. If you believe that's somehow flawed or immoral, then we disagree. Giving to get is the foundation of good governing.

We are a governing party, not a protest party.

Congratulations, though. You critize Democrats almost as well as Republicans do!

Chantel said...
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Chantel said...

Obviously I was going for "criticize" there in that last sentence.

I'm not as accomplished a blogger as you are but I have started my own pro-Democratic blog, Chantel Tales.

:)

Mike Barer said...

good article, I want to study Baird's logic and possible post an article myself.

Chad Shue said...

Mike,


Welcome to The Left Shue. Thanks for your comment. I look forward to watching for your post on your "Barers of Maple Valley Blog.


By the way, in checking out your profile and Blog, I see that we have a couple of things in common and I must say I am envious of your birthday celebration.


Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue

Ozy said...

Chantel,

I am very pleased to meet you and I hope through dialog we may be able to meet on common ground.

I agree with some of the points you bring to the table. The one point which I must disagree with you vehemently is where you say to Chad "Congratulations, though. You criticize Democrats almost as well as Republicans do!" I don’t agree with the assumption that Iraq will go crazy or genocide will happen. How can anyone know that . They may try and do non-factual comparison of other wars but I don’t need to remind folks that this is an occupation during a civil war, which the US is entangled.

In my opinion, Chad doesn't criticize Democrats at all. I think Chad offers a point of view that demonstrates the inability of some of our Democratic representatives who may not be truly acting in the best interests of the base or the Democratic party.

I feel as if I have more of a sharp tongue when aiding in the huge job of keeping our Democratic house clean.

I hope we don’t get into the old saying of

“PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES - "Those who are vulnerable should not attack others. The proverb has been traced back to Geoffrey Chaucer's 'Troilus and Criseyde' (1385)

I will fight the status quo and go after any sellout Democrat on any issue with the same drive and conviction as I would the traitorous Republicans. In fact its worse when candidates you elect stab their own base in the back while cutting the throats of the men and women who give service to the armed forces.

I hold the corporate media as responsible as those in our government who have been complicit in their responsibility to enforce laws and uphold their constitutional oath of office.

Brian Baird’s assumption that this incompetent administration will do any better than they have in the past four years gives me great pause and finds me wondering if Mr. Baird has really thought things through.

Just in this statement alone "But we're on the ground now. We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people and a strategic interest in making this work." Compels me to ask; what are we trying to make work?

I truly don’t want to get into a full blown debate right now. I think you and the many readers from this blog and the cross posting may want to see why, in my opinion , it is imperative to keep our house clean, honest and on track with the American public. Not the republicans or the corporate centrist Democratic element. These entities have lost sight of why we need to support and defend the Constitution and not pander to the minority who have major dollars in this country.

I am very aware that it is possible to incite a circular firing squad within the party but I must insist that the blue-dogs come to the progressive camp of democrats. We are the majority in the party and growing. An educated electorate will unite the party eventually but it would be nice to make it sooner rather than later.

One more point. You state “Democrats have gotten a ton accomplished considering their slim majorities in the House and Senate, and they've done it by negotiating compromises on the funding bills. If you believe that's somehow flawed or immoral, then we disagree. Giving to get is the foundation of good governing.”

I would agree the Democrats have started a ton of oversight which is needed so very much but if we look close at your assertion that negotiating compromises on the funding bills has been successful, I would respectfully disagree. Many of these compromises have been akin to selling out. I need not go into it too far but you get it when I say I agree to disagree =)

We are a governing party, not a protest party. This governing party needs to grow a spine which we may accomplish in primary elections by getting rid of some of these lousy incumbents. Maybe not Baird but Rick Larsen for sure!

Have a nice day and thanks for your welcomed opinion.

I will be happy to host any debate and participate on these issues where
representatives tend to vote with their conscience instead of the best interests of the party.


Ozy

P.S. Chad this is so very true! The expression goes: "You Broke It - You Fix It." However, you don't ask the bull in the china shop to mend the broken china.

The bulls are the fools in the white house of course. The people pay the price!

bushtool said...

IMHO there is no military solution in Iraq short of killing off all of one or more of the warring factions. To the extent that there was a military solution, it has already been accomplished.

It seems to me as long as the US military is in the area, civil unrest will be the norm, the refugees from Iraq will not return and the situation will remain largely unchanged. In other words, our presence there is a BIG part of the problem.

A political solution is very unlikely while we are occupying Iraq because no matter how that solution manifests itself, the perception among the people of Iraq will be that it is the USA's solution and not the Iraqi people's solution.

So sooner or later we will withdraw our troops and things will then work themselves out one way or another. My big beef is it should be sooner rather than later because the only difference IMO will fewer dead Americans and Iraqis if we leave sooner.

Brian Baird apparently thinks we can make things better in the short run by staying there militarily. I think this will only result in our presence being extended out indefinitely as has been the case in the past.

I like your china shop analogy. I have another one. If you have car that breaks down, you fix it. If it breaks down again, you fix it again. At some point you are a fool to fix it if it keeps breaking down. You have to realize you bought a lemon. We bought a lemon in Iraq and the sooner we realize it the better.

As to trashing Democrats, if we fail to criticize Democrats when we think they are frightfully wrong, then are we not just falling into the same sheep mentality of the Rs which is how we got ourselves into this mess?

Chantel said...

Ozy:

Thanks for your comments.

We need to get rid of Dave Reichert and Doc Hastings and Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, not Brian Baird and Rick Larsen...both of whom voted against the authorization of force and are getting only a "so what" in return from the hard left.

And so we agree to disagree, but I won't call you "spineless" for not agreeing with me, or accuse you of "caving" for attempting to dialogue with me. :)

Ozy said...

I hope we can get Rid of Hastings, Richert and Cathy McMorris . Larsen needs the boot in democratic primary . We can do so much better.

I will call any democratic representative spineless who needs to grow one. I will also campaign for any Democrat who shows spine.

Spinelessness has nothing to do with whether one is agreement on an issue it has to do with behavior which I believe exhibits a pattern of habitual compromising of principles for political expediency . I see a pattern in the Democratic house and the base will wise up and correct this in the primary process if they have the courage.

spine·less (spīn'lĭs)
adj.
1. Lacking courage or willpower.
2. Biology.
a. Having no spiny processes.
b. Lacking a spinal column; invertebrate.
spinelessly spine'less·ly adv.
spinelessness spine'less·ness n.

I actually call and email Larsen’s office when he does make a positive vote so your assumption that they get a “so what” from all is incorrect here.

I don’t cave much. If I do I have a good reason! =)

Let’s change that Hard left nonsense to smart left realism!

TTFN

Ozy

FOIA Gras said...

Chantel,

I concur with your comments on this post. I live in WA-03 and I don't necessarily agree with Baird's assessment but having made several visits to Iraq, two in the last four months, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

There are still concerns, however.
How unfiltered are Baird's observations made during his embedded tour? If a turning point has been reached just how pervasive is it? Why has the rate of Iraqi casualties not improved? How are we supposed to trust in the merit of continuing the occupation when the people in charge of that decision have proven so untrustworthy?

Chantel said...

Thanks Ozy! Of course, Republicans do not share your view of Larsen. The National Journal, a right-wing rag if ever there was one, hardly counts Larsen as a friend. By the Journal's measure, Larsen ranks a 66.7% liberal score. I'll take someone who agrees with me nearly 67% of the time over making a protest vote in a primary any day. :)

Oh, and I disagree that making unproductive noise is showing backbone. I call it foolish, but that's just me.

Ozy said...

This is kind of fun.

Lets see how much unproductive noise it takes to raise that lousy 66.7% liberal score to a solid 90%?

Sleep well all.

Chantel said...

Thanks, foia gras. :) I bet if you sent Congressman Baird an E-mail, he'd tell you his thoughts on that, especially since they're very valid questions.

And goodnight to you, Ozy. Someone who agrees with me nearly seven out of ten times does not have a 'lousy' score, and demanding they agree with me nine out of ten times is just plain narcissistic. Now I should stop hogging Chad's blog and go back to my own. :~)

Ozy said...

LOL

9 out of 10 times.

It's more about the progressive rating than agreeing with little ole me.

Chad Shue said...

bushtool and foi gras,


Welcome to The Left Shue from your excellent home over at Democracy for Vancouver. I am pleased to have your comments here.


Obviously bushtool and I appear to be in pretty much the same place when it comes to the situation in Iraq and any assesment at this juncture that further US military action (especially when directed by the same folks who got us into this mess) might do more good than harm.


foia gras, your comment has an interesting bent to it. You begin by saying that you agree with Chantel's comment that somehow by questioning the rationale for Baird's conclusions that I have now tagged him with the "fault" for the mess in Iraq.:


"I concur with your comments on this post."


You then go on to question the exact things that I question in the original post.:


"If a turning point has been reached just how pervasive is it? Why has the rate of Iraqi casualties not improved? How are we supposed to trust in the merit of continuing the occupation when the people in charge of that decision have proven so untrustworthy?"


I guess the lesson to be learned here is that you may ask questions...just not of the people we elect to represent us. - More on this point shortly.


Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue

Chantel said...

Chad, do you really think that being willing to cut our Dems a little slack is the same thing as saying you can't question them? Really? Saying they don't deserve to be called childish names is the same thing as saying you can't disagree with them? Really?

Wow. Just wow.

I think I'll try that with my husband. The next time we disagree about something I'll just call him a bunch of names until he sees that I'm disgusted with him.

Just wow.