If I Had Known Then........
While there does seem to be some legitimate concern over the claims of Mr. Rolph that he was previously non-committed in his choice for presidential nominee prior to his questioning of Senator Clinton at an event in Iowa, the fact that, as part of her exchange, she says, ”"Well, then, I apologize. It's just that I've been asked the very same question in three other places.” suggests to me that she truly does not grasp the concern that many have over that vote.
Just as we put up with for the entire 2004 campaign, will we have to put up with lame explanations about floor speeches and intent rather than action? For “SWWBP” to continue to aid in Bush’s saber rattling and still claim that she is taking a hard line against military action against Iran just sounds too much like, ‘I only voted to authorize military action. How was I to know he would actually act upon it?’ Maybe she could have listened to Sen. Jim Webb prior to the vote:
Of course none of this will mean anything if W doesn’t attack Iran before January of 2009. I mean he’s learned his lesson from Iraq right?
Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue
posted by Chad Shue | 9:50 AM
12 Comments:
"Maybe she could have listened to Sen. Jim Webb prior to the vote:"
OR ... maybe she could have been listening to Rep. Dennis Kucinich for the past FOUR YEARS...like the time he stood up and LED the delegation (which included Jay Inslee at that time) to refuse to allow GW Bush to invade a sovereign nation!!!
Go, Dennis! Visit (Kucinich.US)
The ignorant voters and citizens of this country are so mentally lazy that they refuse to be informed about legislation and political action. In the hope that this might change, let me point out that several bills, introduced by Congressman Dennis Kucinich, represent his refusal to give in to corporate America. The corporate control of our government is leading to the privatization of these and more: privatization of our military forces, public education, trade (NAFTA, CAFTA, & WTO), healthcare, and the environment (forests, rivers, water, etc.).
Kucinich for President 2008!!! (See kucinich.us)
Forgot to identify the bills that have been introduced by Dennis Kucinich:
H. Res 333 -- to impeach Dick Cheney, charging him with well-documented evidence that he has subverted our U. S. Constitution and committed fraud on the American people.
HR 676 -- the Conyers-Kucinich for "not-for-profit, universal healthcare for all."
HR 1234 -- to pull all troops out of Iraq within three months, using the billions of taxpayers' dollars already in the pipeline to achieve this goal.
Kucinich also promises to cancel NAFTA, CAFTA, and get the US out of the WTO.
(See "kucinich.us")
Or maybe the vote on Iran didn't authorize combat. There's that possiblity too. Maybe, just maybe, she understands her vote better than you do. Could that be possible? Nah, I guess not...
World Citizen, I'm glad you're supporting a Democrat for the White House, even if it's He Who Will Not Be President (Kucinich). I hope you'll be charging hard for any Democrat that wins the nomination. Otherwise, you're just part of the problem.
Ah chantel,
Where have you been? Not trashing those pesky Democrats who you call the the far left fringe I hope. =)
It's always interesting seeing these imaginative posts of fiction you offer. I am sure you have plenty more where that comes from.
Is that why you name your Blog
"Chantel Tales"?
On the other hand, World Citizen you are offering an opinion of substance and NON-fiction. I see Hillary Clinton for a FACT
Supports NAFTA, CAFTA, INSURANCE RUN HEALTHCARE, TAKING MONEY FROM LOBBYISTS, KEEPING TROOPS IN IRAQ ET AL. What is the Democratic Party's position on these issues?
Oh heck I guess it doesn’t matter as long as we get a democrat elected who will really change things.
Don't you agree Chantel?
Once you define a country a terrorist nation you are just giving up another chance to extend the olive branch and ask to talk about peace and just insighting unnecessary anger and fear.
Sounds like a bully tactic to me!
Why don't we take a look at this video then I urge you to read some of the less thoughtful comments like "Looks like a good place to nuke" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfHjNximGg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethomhartmann%2Ecom%2F
Kinda makes me sick that some democrats are walking to the tune of BS coming out of the Bush Administration.
Don't you agree Chantel?
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=pFfHjNximGg&eurl
=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethomhartmann
%2Ecom%2F
Copy and paste this link into your browser if you can spare 5 minutes to some people you don't even know that your government has assigned the title of terrorists. It's Kind of strange but they seem to look like the same folks I see at my daughters school, the market, the parks and recreational areas, Businesses and Macdonald's.
Is that how a terrorist nation looks or does it act like a national leadership who sends soldiers to war based on lies? Or sends private army's like BLACK WATER to protect corporate profiteers who are exempt from following military laws in war time.
You get the point I am sure.
I don't believe Democrats are for this kind of thing.
Ozy, please identify precisely which of my posts are 'fiction', and provide links. I shall endeavor to do the same to prove my points.
The bill Hillary voted for did not authorize combat in Iran. Dennis Kucinich will not be president.
If either of those statements is fiction, if you can point me to precise language authorizing force against Iran in the bill Hillary voted for, or if Dennis actually becomes president, then I'll contribute $20 in your name to ANSWER.
Otherwise...
I have to assume that raging against the power that be is your sole motivation rather than actually helping change things by electing DEMOCRATS.
We can only change things by electing Democrats who are willing to change Chantel.
TTFN
*sigh*
So Bill and Hillary Clinton = George W. Bush?
Um, no. That would be wrong.
Hillary will bring change. But if He Who Will Not Be President happens to take the nomination, you'll see me waving his signs and wearing his buttons, plus you'll have a donation made in your name to ANSWER. I hear no such talk from you should Hillary win...but then, I don't expect to. You're more about your ideology than the party, and that's sad. I wish you stood for governing instead of complaining. It's a shame. :(
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Of course you have that opinion Chantel but lets cut to the chase.
Does Hillary’s position on NAFTA CAFTA, HEALTHCARE, IRAQ, and ELECTION FINANCE REPRESENT the best interests of the people?
Is a possible Democrat in name only will help the people or the party.
Tell us why and how, Chantel. Please show us something other than your Win at any cost IDEOLOGY.
I agree that my dog would be a better president than Bush but to imply that the Clinton policy on trade and Health care is going to make everything all right is simply ridiculous.
I don't want free health care I want everyone to have health care.
The same as congress.
If you think Health Care is a privilege than you are in the wrong
party Chantel.
You want to talk about Nafta?
Cafta?
Oh how about the DLC?
Or the DCCC?
The congress is at record lows of approval.
Hillary may get the nomination because of the mentally “Lazy Dem electorate”. She is the most well know as far as name recognition. Her politically crafted policy’s are mostly BS. In my experienced opinion.
Most of these idiots are still rah rah for The Clinton Years LMAO.
Only when it gets to a level of discomfort that more people feel we will continue to have the corporate lobby produce bought and paid for
Candidates.
Please wake up and smell the BS.
If I have to vote for Hillary because she is the lesser of two losers than it may happen.
Credit to her I don't think she is going to be a war pig like Cheney and the cons.
So then we can just maintain the current problems for another four years and after we loose millions more jobs and health care just maybe people will get off their dead asses and take the country back from the corporate lobby.
Chantel, I honestly must say I think it’s too late to stop the destruction that has been done but I refuse to suck down the KOOLAID both parties are leaking on us. Just maybe that courageous Democratic IDEOLOGY will come back to the party in the form of another FDR but we can only hope.
I missed the meeting you went to last month but I hope to make the next one and if you see me like you did Chad please have the courtesy to introduce yourself. I will do the same.
Chantel I have a suggested reading list for you if you would like to get brought up to speed. If you have one for me to look over I would love it so I can understand where you are coming from.
Thanks for your consistent (something) ?
And opinions
Oh Ozy. You don't really believe that, do you? Insulting the electorate is not the best way to make your point.
Hillary will not be 'the lesser of two evils', more Nader-speak of the kind that got us into this mess to begin with. How do you think Hillary will do on Choice? How about health care? The same that congress has? I don't know what you mean by that...*shrug*
No, I don't think health care is a privilege. Did I say something to imply that??
Millions of jobs were created under Bill Clinton. Our economy was great, the debt went down, and what's your gripe with WTO? Didn't understand that during the riots...how are third world nations going to lift themselves out of poverty if we don't encourage them to be economically viable? We went through an industrial age, they don't deserve one?
I don't necessarily disagree with many of your opinions, but I understand that change is incremental. You want it now. No patience, just shouting nonsense things like 'lesser of two evils' and other Nader-like rants.
Hillary has been there and understands what needs to be done. Think about the cabinet she would choose! How different could that be from what we have now??
As for introducing myself, I did see Mr. Shue in Wenatchee but did not introduce myself. I was on a stealth mission. :~)
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